Monday, June 29, 2009

It Was the Breast of Times...

Let me start by apologizing for the title of today's post. I know there are some who find body part puns childish and/or offensive in nature. If that includes you I recommend you surf away from The Hideaway right now and come back tomorrow. I am not discussing anything overly inappropriate here, but there will be talk of topless nakedness herein...consider yourself warned (No Chris...no pictures. Sorry to disappoint you).

So we were driving over to my dad's today for a dip in the pool. The Peanut (who is now four and a half if you can believe that crazy math) was sitting in her car seat, pontificating as she so often does about the people she sees outside the car window. About two minutes into the journey she spots a young man walking down the road. He is not wearing a shirt, he has it draped over one shoulder in the heat of the day. Caroline begins to yell at this Sunday stroller.

"Hey you BOY! Put your shirt on. I don't wanna see that!" (Now, I know that those of you reading this who do not know The Peanut are thinking this is a piece of exaggerated dialogue. I also know that those of you who do know The Peanut are smiling because you have no difficulty whatsoever imagining her saying this. This is my daughter, no narrative exaggeration necessary.)

Fortunately the windows were up and the young man kept walking on his merry way, unaware that he was being criticized by a preschooler. The wife and I, after choking back laughter, a skill I still suck at as a parent, tried to tell her what she had said was not a nice thing to yell. The boy wasn't hurting anyone and it was hot out so he just wanted to feel a little relief from the heat.

She of course, being The Peanut, more full of a questions than a Jeopardy marathon, demanded to know why it is OK for a boy to walk down the street with no shirt on but it is not OK for a girl.

The Wife and I just looked at each other, parental panic passing between us.

"Uhh," I began. (I really know how to lay on the parental wisdom, don't I?) "That's just the way it is sweetheart."

I knew that answer was not going to fly. It was just a delaying tactic to formulate a more solid response.

I was right.

"Why?" my daughter wanted to know. Her favorite word. "That's not fair." Her favorite phrase.

The Wife, seeing my utter lack of direction as to where to take my response chipped in. "Babe, what do girls have that boys don't have?" (There is a loaded question if ever I have ever heard one.)

The Peanut thought for a second. "Long hair?"

"No, boys can have long hair," The Wife said.

"Freckles?"

"No boys have freckles...daddy has freckles right?"

The Peanut giggled. "Yeah. Ummm...dolls and dresses?"

I excel at making inappropriate jokes that are never as funny as I think they are. "No, some funny kinds of boys have those as well and they use the - OWWW!!"

My joke was cut off by a sharp poke in the ribs from The Wife.

"What do you mean daddy? What do you mean by funny?"

Yeah, I guess I deserved the poke. "Nothing kiddo, daddy was just joking."

With a glare in my direction, The Wife continued. "What do girls have under their shirts that boys don't?"

"Boobies?" (I can always be grateful to my mother for introducing this word into my daughter's vocabulary)

"Yes sweety. Girls keep theirs covered but boys don't have to," said the wife, which was pretty much the defense I had already tried.

"But I don't have boobies," said The Peanut. "See?" And she proceeded to hike her Dora and Boots t-shirt up over her head.

Booby talk with my 4 year old makes me uneasy enough as it is. "Put your shirt down!" I said. "Peanut, that is just the way things are," I continued to spout my fatherly wisdom. "Girls have to keep their shirts on and boys don't always have to."

Should I write a book on fatherly wisdom or what?

The Peanut was still not satisfied. "But why do...LOOK DADDY...A puppy!" Fortuitously a car drove by with a cute golden retriever puppy hanging it's head out of the window. This distraction promptly caused The Peanut to lose interest in the conversation.

We drove on for a minute or so more. As we drove I thought about the question.

"You know," I said to The Wife, "she brings up a good question."

I get nothing but a look from The Wife.

"No, really. Think about it. Why do we have that social norm in place do you think?"

"Are you trying to suggest that women should just walk around topless all the time?" asked The Wife with the verbal equivalent of a double edged sword.

I knew I was not just on shaky ground here, I was on ice as thin as a sheet of paper.

"OF COURSE NOT dear, that would be...uh...silly," I said. She grunted. I didn't get hit so I figured I could continue on for a bit.

"All I meant was why is it that way? Where do you think it came from? If we grew up in a world where everyone was free to walk around as topless as they wanted to be, do you think there would be a big deal about it?"

"No, probably not," she said.

"So it is a fair question then right? Why is it socially acceptable for a man to walk around topless and not a woman?"

She thought about it for a second as we pulled into my dad's driveway. "I guess it is a pretty interesting question."

So I offer it here, on this blog. Be you male or female, why do YOU think it is socially acceptable for a man to be shirtless but not a woman? Or maybe you think it isn't acceptable. Post your opinion in the comments section. Let's make this the breast conversation in the Hideaway yet.

(Yes, I know I used the same unfunny, possibly offensive pun in this post. I figured since most people are born with two that I should do the same...in hindsight it wasn't anywhere near as funny as I wanted it to be. THIS is why I should not stay up so late writing.)


NOVEL UPDATE: Got 681 more words in tonight. Brings the new total to 2.233.

26 comments:

  1. The female breast is considered a sexual characteristic where as the male breast is usually not. I tend to think the ultimate reason for this is pure biology. Women's breasts are used in the advancing of the species (just like wide hips, aka. "booty"). Whereas male breasts have no real function and tend considered kind of neutral, though curiously it isn't this way; that shirtless guy walking down the road would have been arresting in 1900 in the US for example.

    The covering up of sexual characteristics is present in most cultures as a form of modesty and "saving it for the bedroom".

    Now obviously these shame based norms are beginning to break down in our society and others; it's starting with the female hips and buttocks. I'm sure full exposure of the female breast is not far behind.

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  2. Hello Brian! Just wanted to drop you a line and tell you how much I love your writing. I try to keep up with your blog (sometimes I suck) but I enjoy what I read. I loved todays post. I enjoyed reading about Peanut as well, she cracks me up. She's an amazing girl, but I know you and H already know that. Anywho, just wanted to say AWESOME!!!

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  3. Hey Brian, I enjoyed the story. As to an answer to the question, I'd just blame it on social mores. Keep writing. C

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  4. @Kelp...

    Interesting thoughts.

    heh heh...you said "booty".

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  5. @Kelly...

    Thanks! Life with the peanut is a constant source of entertainment.

    You have a pretty special girl yourself!

    No thoughts on the question?

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  6. @Carol...

    Thanks!

    That's what we said...but you know Peanut...that's not good enough...LOL.

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  7. Since I was in the car I can back up Brian's assessment. This is EXACTLY how the conversation went. It really made me laugh because it was so true. I think it the a society thing. Let's just blame Eve...she gets blamed for everything else.

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  8. Brian. Love this post.

    I can actually remember having this conversation with my own parents when I was five. Growing up in a house with five girls as well as my mom & dad, I didn't understand why Dad could go outside and do his work without a shirt on. I, however, did not give up on it as easily as your Peanut. I went through a summer of no-shirt-wearing days (when my dad was at work). My mom decided not to fight the WHY's. That ended quite abruptly when my father saw that my mother had let me walk around with no shirt. He pronptly told me to put it a shirt on. When I asked why.....his response was, "Because I said so (accompanied by a look that would make a grown man shake in his boots)" There was also a conversation with a lot of words through clnched teeth between my parents.

    It is nice to know that the question still occurs to other little girls.

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  9. @H...

    Blame it on Eve?

    Sounds good...

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  10. @ Anonymous...

    WOW...How did your dad do it?

    The Peanut has not given up. As I write this she is watching TV...sans shirt.

    She would run around buck naked if we let her...something I am hopeful she will grow out of soon.

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  11. I remember feeling the same way as the little Peanut when I was her age! LOL

    The country I grew up in did not think it was appropriate for men or women to go topless in public, nor for anybody to walk around town in their bathing suits. So naturally, they thought all the tourists who did so were extremely immodest. ON the BEACH, however,.... that was an entirely different thing...

    I got used to NOT seeing men without their shirts on in public, so I'm still not really a fan of it. But I don't think it's bad if a guy is working in the hot sun and wants to take his shirt off.

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  12. Well, I remember reading an article where someone decided to test this theory & the legality of it a few years back. A woman went around the city, I think NY, and would drop her shirt & have pictures taken. Legally, she could do that but man were people offended.

    I think we are still just huge prudes here in the US & blame it entirely on the Puritans who came here. Of course, I am not offering to run around topless. The sunburn would SUCK!

    And...truth be told, I think the men can be even bigger prudes about it - with their wives & children at least - and I have many a story of being shoved in the direction of the quietest corner of the supermarket when my baby would suddenly become hungry while out shopping & I was perfectly happy to discreetly oblige her.

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  13. @ Sharon...

    A lot of women are saying this, that they remember feeling they same way, so it reassures me that I am not raising a little nudist or exhibitionist here...it seems prerry normal.

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  14. @ Shelley...

    Legally she could do that?

    The thought of topless sunburn did not occur to me. LOL.

    Nursing and people's squeamishness toward it does not make sense to me. When my wife was nursing our little one I loved to watch her, and not in a creepy lactating porno kind of way. (Did I really just type that sentence?) I loved to watch her because the very act was and is one of the most tender and beautiful things I have ever seen. There is nothing more natural in this world than a mother feeding her child. I understand that for a lot of women it is a modesty thing, that they don't want complete strangers staring at them while they are half exposed. But I have read and heard stories of people complaining when a woman sitting in a park or some other public place breastfeeds, even though she does so by discreetly covering herself with a blanket. It baffles me.

    Funny, and 100% true, story. About ten years ago a buddy of mine married a girl from Sweden. Her family flew over for the wedding. One member of her family had recently given birth to an absolutely beautiful baby. I was in the wedding party so when the service began I was standing up front. This woman and her husband were sitting in the front row, first pew. About halfway through the ceremony the baby starts to do the hungry squirms and cries. Without even batting an eyelash the woman unbuttons her blouse, removes a breast and starts feeding her baby. No towel, no blanket, just hooked the little tyke up then resumed watching the ceremony. The pastor, to his credit, did not falter, but almost every eye in the place instantly homed in on this Swedish woman doing what comes as naturally to her as breathing oxygen. You could hear the whispers and murmurs of the other guests all the way up front. Culture clash...big time!

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  15. I have been debating commenting on this story, it is a little wierd talking to my son about "boobies". I have always wondered what it would be like to go to a nude beach and get a suntan all over, but I know I could never do it.I would be too embarresed.As for my little peanut,she is just so adorable.I love her so much and she says the greatest things.

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  16. @ Ruth...

    Thanks, OH SO MUCH, for the visual.

    And thank you for teaching my daughter the word "boobies".

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  17. I enjoyed reading this, Brian. We recently had a similar conversation with our daughter, because she saw an asian man on the street with his shirt off, and before I knew it, she was yelling at him and pointing and saying "WE DON'T DO THAT!!!" I'm pretty sure he understood what was going on, because she was pointing at him, although I don't know if he understood her English. I was so embarrassed. I grabbed her arm and told her that we don't yell and point at people. And we kept walking as she asked me "why" it was ok for him to do that, over and over again, and then we had a family discussion about it. I think she was ok with the end of it, although I can't remember what all we said. She is the same age as your peanut, and doesn't miss a thing. I think they'd have a great time playing together! :) Life with our AK is never dull, and she notices tons more than her brother ever did.

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  18. Boy how i wish the window was down...that woulda been so funny!

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  19. @RobYn...(I am in a nice mood tonight...LOL)

    Thanks for the kind words.

    One of the reasons I love working with children is their honesty. It is sad, I think, that we lose that, the brutal honesty of a child.

    I agree about our daughters...we should get them together when you come back to the states.

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  20. I think that a lot of it has to do with religion and modesty in cultures...like Islam and Christian missionaries in the new world...
    Think about how different the world would be if it was typical to be topless, and against th norm to be clothed...there would be a lot less overweight people and being a stick wouldn't be seen as attractive...

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  21. Thanks, Brian. That was very sweet, and unexpected! LOL! Yes, we should get the girls together, next time I'm back in the US. We're hoping to come around Christmas time, but we'll see... You would love my brother-in-law Neil. He rags on me more than you do!!

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  22. @Catherine...

    Religion may play a part, but the expectation is not solely a religious one.

    I don't agree about it changing the numbers of overweight people. I have seen some pretty large and non-svelte dudes walking around with their man breasts flopping in the breeze.

    I for one don't find sticks attractive. That is not legal in this state.

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  23. All I can say is... I'm glad we had boys.

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  24. Wow, I remember what *I* was like when I was young. At age 4, I was checking out older guys--like, guys in their 20s and 30s, which were, of course, WAY too old for me at the time. A few years later, I had my first official crush. It was on (drumroll, please)...Von Hayes. Sigh.

    I guess it's kind of a good thing that your daughter isn't attracted to boys at the tender age of 4. 'Cause I can personally attest to the fact that girls that like guys when they're so young become REALLY boy-crazy when they grow up, haha!

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  25. @Grammar...

    Von Hayes?

    Really??

    The thought of my daughter crushing on boys fills me with more dread than watching Ryan Madson come in to finish the ninth inning.

    I have chosen a path of willful ignorance toward the fact that I know one day it will happen. There is only today...Dora and Curious George.

    Thnx for the comment!

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